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Old 09-28-2009, 07:30 PM
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Arrow How to run a PC without anti-virus

From within your operating system, there are tools you can use to help ward off evil software, too. All browsers today, for instance, provide some security tools, including anti-phishing filters or lists of Web sites that are known carriers of harmful software. Use these features -- they won't slow you down. Common sense is your biggest defense.

First things first: you should have some kind of antivirus protection on your PC, especially if you surf the Internet or trade files with anyone. There are plenty of people, though, who hate antivirus programs -- and with good reason. Most of them are resource hogs, slowing down your computer; many of them throw up more false positive warnings than legitimate ones, slowing down your work and annoying you in the process. These days, most are leased on a yearly basis, meaning you must pay up every year in order to keep your antivirus signatures current.

All of that adds up to some pretty painful medicine to have to swallow to potentially rid your PC of some malicious software. Can you possibly just say "no" to antivirus software? The short answer is, "yes, you can." But to remain virus and spyware free, you'll need to adopt some precautions -- and stick with them
An antivirus-free computer should start and stop with legitimate, clean software. That means eschewing copies of programs that can be downloaded through warez sites or on newsgroups, borrowed from friends through file sharing, or found on shareware and freeware sites.

Remember that being without an antivirus program often means living without on-demand scanning, so a file you download online isn't as easy to check for viruses as it would be if you had an antivirus program installed. Still, plenty of people can and do assemble systems solely with commercial, off-the-shelf applications, and you can, too.
Antivirus protection might not yet be a built-in feature of Windows and other operating systems, but security has long been of concern to everyone who uses computers, and the result is that you'll find some malware protection already built in to the computer you're currently using.

Before your computer even loads your operating system, it launches the code found in your system's BIOS (basic input-output system), which initiates the hardware in your PC and enables your operating system to identify the components you have. Within the BIOS of most PCs -- accessible by pressing F2 or Del during bootup -- is an optional boot sector protection mechanism. Enable this, and you'll protect against boot sector viruses without ever installing a single antivirus tool.

From within your operating system, there are tools you can use to help ward off evil software, too. All browsers today, for instance, provide some security tools, including anti-phishing filters or lists of Web sites that are known carriers of harmful software. Use these features -- they won't slow you down.
In addition, there are free tools available that are less obtrusive than most antivirus packages. Microsoft provides Windows Defender for free on Windows Vista, and it's available as a free download for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

Windows Defender's focus is on spyware, which can be among the most dangerous types of malicious software, since its primary purpose is to track what you do and, in some cases, steal personal information
Common sense will go a long way toward keeping your computer safe if you don't use antivirus software. Stay away from sites that are frequent carriers of spyware. These include, ironically, many sites that purportedly sell anti-spyware software.

A list of such sites is at the Spyware Warrior Rogue/Suspect Web Sites page (http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_...ware.htm#sites). Porn and gaming sites are also to be approached warily if you have no spyware or antivirus protection.
Delete any e-mail message from an unknown source if it contains an attachment. The majority of malware contracted through e-mail comes in the form of attachments that the sender tries to get the recipient to open.

Just say no. The large majority of viruses are contracted from unsolicited e-mail, so use an e-mail application with a built-in spam checker, if at all possible. Sometimes viruses are carried in Word documents from friends or colleagues who are not aware that the files are protected.

In such cases, without an onboard antivirus tool, it makes sense to run the file through one of the free online scanners mentioned earlier. Do this before you open the file.

The payoff for all of this caution should be well-known to anyone who has watched with chagrin as an otherwise speedy and trouble-free computer was made to feel like yesterday's technology after the latest bloated antivirus software was installed. Less really is more, if you can get away with it. And for those intrepid computer users with a survival plan, doing without antivirus protection can be a giant step in the right direction.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:54 PM
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with all the junk on the net. this post is not advisable to follow i keep my pc updated several security programs and ive been hit with a worm had no idea where it came from
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:33 PM
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Couldn't agree with you more here,
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with all the junk on the net. this post is not advisable to follow
Would be interesting to know where that copy & paste came from.

Some quotes about WinDoze Defender,
http://www.2-spyware.com/review-windows-defender.html
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Windows Defender is a decent anti-spyware program. It is free, powerful enough and yet very easy-to-use. However, it identifies and completely removes only regular spyware and adware parasites as well as some well-known, relatively old malware and viral threats. Unfortunately, Windows Defender does not provide reliable protection against widely spread trojans, worms and other malicious software. In other words, the program cleans most infections, but often cannot eliminate the cause, so the system gets re-infected.
http://reviews.cnet.com/antivirus-an...-32784956.html
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Windows Defender requires you to verify your Windows license before you can even download the app. It missed half of the spyware on our test machine and didn't fully remove half of the spyware samples in our tests.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Webroo.....-a0159920851
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As part of the ongoing testing performed by Webroot's Threat Research team, it was discovered that Windows Defender failed to block 84 percent of a testing sample-set that included 15 of the most common variations of existing spyware and malware. In evaluating its ability, to block spyware and malware before it has infected a user's machine, Webroot's Threat Research Team found the Windows Defender program's performance was not in keeping with many third-party security applications, including Webroot's own award-winning anti-spyware program, Spy Sweeper. Threats of various types--including adware, Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs), system monitors, keyloggers and trojans--were able to reside on the testing environment undetected by Windows Vista. One PUP tested was able to install under administrator privileges, run and capture keystrokes without any adaptation from its Windows XP operating environment , and Defender did not detect the installation or the running application.

Yeah Right,
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And for those intrepid computer users with a survival plan, doing without antivirus protection can be a giant step in the right direction.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:36 PM
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Oh Brother! hottrod!
ALL of this post was taken, word for word, Including the Title, from this article posted on May 23, 2009 on the website monstersandcritics.com.
All of the links found by Mr. John were attributed by the author and linked to the source IN the article from monstersandcritics.com

The only link you provided, the one to spywarewarrior was also included in the article. You slipped up there I guess, leaving that in there.

I may be wrong but posting or submitting something as your own, and since you didn't give a link to or cite as your source the original article, then this would have to be considered posting as your own writing I believe is called plagiarism Definition: copying of another's work.

How to be certain your writing is not considered plagiarism? CITE YOUR SOURCES.

Now why anyone would even want to plagiarize something like "Running without a virus scanner" is absolutely beyond me.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:02 PM
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Oh Brother! hottrod!
ALL of this post was taken, word for word, Including the Title, from this article posted on May 23, 2009 on the website monstersandcritics.com.
All of the links found by Mr. John were attributed by the author and linked to the source IN the article from monstersandcritics.com

The only link you provided, the one to spywarewarrior was also included in the article. You slipped up there I guess, leaving that in there.

I may be wrong but posting or submitting something as your own, and since you didn't give a link to or cite as your source the original article, then this would have to be considered posting as your own writing I believe is called plagiarism Definition: copying of another's work.

How to be certain your writing is not considered plagiarism? CITE YOUR SOURCES.

Now why anyone would even want to plagiarize something like "Running without a virus scanner" is absolutely beyond me.
Sorry but it never enter my mind to be like that. I beleved that it saids to First things first: you should have some kind of antivirus protection on your PC, especially if you surf the Internet or trade files with anyone. ' and i did not find it on the website that you claim i found it here http://infotech.indiatimes.com/quick...ow/4856718.cms. Just because i post it does not mean i indorse it, it is there for you reading.
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Doesn't matter WHERE you found it, you need to attribute it. The reason several of us protested this in the first place is, not because you didn't cite the source, though that IS a problem because it maybe could open up WS to possible legal questions because of posting uncited material. But you know there are so many folks who know next to nothing about computers or the internet and come to this forum, and others like it, to learn. Running your computer without security programs just isn't something that is even advisable in today's internet world.
Today there creeps out there who can literally wipe your bank account with a few clicks of a mouse on a fairly well protected computer, takes them awhile but they can. But to espouse the running of a computer without onboard protection is just plain scary.

Take a look at many of the questions or comments people post here..."I saw this program, downloaded it and now I am getting porn pages popping up". Or look at the number of people who post with grossly infected computers because they don't have an anti-virus program or who have two on one computer. I guess what I am saying is, do you want to be the person mentioned..."well I took off my anti-virus program because hottrod had a thread that it was safe to run your computer without an anti-virus program". I KNOW that it said
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First things first: you should have some kind of antivirus protection on your PC, especially if you surf the Internet or trade files with anyone said
But that wasn't the first sentence, it was the start of the second paragraph. An awful lot of people don't read everything and you shouldn't presume they will read all of this. Many will read the title, skim the article and go ahead and hit Uninstall.

This was the main concern of myself and several others.
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I agree with Judy ,I would not even think about turning My pc on with out antivirus and security programs look on Mike's Free Security tools link and you will find any type security program ...absolutely Free .But Please don't atempt to run your Pc without at least an antivirus program.
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